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Saturday, November 25, 2006

Big blog war started by Robert Pennock's speech at UCSD

A big blog war was started by Casey Luskin's initial post about a speech by Darwinist Robert Pennock at the University of California -- San Diego. Many blogs have become involved in this blog war, but among the principal participants have been blogs by Darwinists Ed Brayton, PZ Myers, and Larry Moran. One of Larry Moran's posts in particular, Flunk the IDiots, caused quite a stir -- this post proposed that Darwinism Doubters be denied college entrance. Brayton and Myers are mostly in sharp disagreement but do agree on one thing -- their unsupported claim that most of the rejection and skepticism of Darwinism is the result of religious fundamentalism. Ed Brayton wrote,

The average 18 year old, even ones who have gone through advanced biology in high school, know virtually nothing about evolution. There is no active choice going on with these students. In most cases, there is little more than a vague notion that evolution means no god and therefore must be wrong. That is the primary reason why most people reject evolution, it has nothing at all to do with weighing two sides on the basis of the evidence and choosing one. (emphasis added)

PZ Myers wrote,

Please note: Moran did not say that all Baptists should be flunked or refused admission. This was not a comment about religion, directly. It was a statement that the ignorant "40% of the freshman class [who] reject Darwinism" did not deserve admission. I suspect, though, that even Ed Brayton realized that the reason these 40% oppose basic evolutionary biology was almost certainly and entirely due to their religious upbringing, and that a policy like that would be a de facto barrier to practitioners of certain extremist religious sects.(emphasis added)

I think that both Ed Brayton and PZ Myers have a hard time conceiving that rejection and skepticism of Darwinism could be based on reason rather than faith.

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Anonymous W. Kevin Vicklund said...

Study after study has concluded that rejection of evolution is primarily faith-based, Larry. You even have a discussion of one such study here.

So why are you making unsupported claims to attack their claims which are supported elsewhere on your own site?

Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

> I think that both Ed Brayton and PZ Myers have a hard time conceiving that rejection and skepticism of Darwinism could be based on reason rather than faith. <

Yes. Your rejection of evolution is due to your conspiracy theory about the world being operated by extraterrestrials.

Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:57:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

W. Kevin Vicklund said...
>>>>> Study after study has concluded that rejection of evolution is primarily faith-based, Larry. You even have a discussion of one such study here. <<<<<

I do? Where?

Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:09:00 PM  
Anonymous W. Kevin Vicklund said...

The physicians poll.

Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:40:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

W. Kevin Vicklund said...

>>>>> The physicians poll. <<<<<

OK, that is discussed here. The respondents were not asked whether their Darwinism doubting was based on reason or faith.

Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:35:00 PM  
Anonymous W. Kevin Vicklund said...

Nonetheless, the study concluded that the rejection of evolution was faith-based.

Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

Kevin wins again.

Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:43:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

W. Kevin Vicklund said...

>>>>> Nonetheless, the study concluded that the rejection of evolution was faith-based. <<<<<

Nonetheless, the study provided no grounds for such a conclusion.

Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:28:00 PM  
Anonymous W. Kevin Vicklund said...

Nonetheless, Larry hasn't bothered to read the study to find out the basis on which they grounded their conclusions.

Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:40:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

W. Kevin Vicklund said...
>>>>>Nonetheless, Larry hasn't bothered to read the study to find out the basis on which they grounded their conclusions. <<<<<

What study? I didn't see any discussion of the poll results.

Also, I am getting tired of this "hasn't bothered" crap.

Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice In The Wilderness said...

> Also, I am getting tired of this "hasn't bothered" crap. <

Then perhaps you should try reading some of the things you cite?

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Oh, a spambot just latched onto Larry's site! How ironic.

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