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Thursday, July 19, 2007

Hypocritical Darwinists play footsie with religion

At the same time that Darwinists are trying to get all criticisms of Darwinism banned from the public schools as alleged violations of the so-called separation of church and state, they themselves are seeking closer ties with religion. A webpage titled "The Clergy Letter Project Presents Scientists in Support of Clergy" says,

Scientists from across the country have generously agreed to serve as technical consultants to clergy members who have questions about the science associated with all aspects of evolution. If you have a question, find a local scientist on the list below, or search by areas of expertise. Many of the scientists listed have also expressed a willingness to entertain requests to speak publicly or lead a discussion about their areas of expertise.

Also, this is discussed here and here.

This shameless hypocrisy may backfire on them someday.

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9 Comments:

Anonymous Jim Sherwood said...

One of the preachers who signed the "Clergy Letter" absurdly declaring the Darwinist version of evolution to be a "foudational scientific truth" was none other than The Rev. Harold Hand, who preaches to Jones at Trinity Lutheran Church in Pottsville, Pa. Jones is a member of his church.

A preacher named Hand: "It's Holy
To have faith in Darwin, and wholly!
So our Jones must decide
To take up his side
And block all his foes, like a goalie!"

Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:34:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

LOL. Was that the preacher who told Jones that organized religions are not "true" religions?

I'm putting the "Limericks" post label on this post.

Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Jim Sherwood said...

I meant a "foundational" scientific truth! But here's a quote from Rev. Hand on the Kitzmiller ruling by Judge Jones, his parishioner: "I was hoping that was the way he was going to rule." (York Daily Record, April 26, 2006. I believe it can be Googled.) Hand also "gave him (Jones) a hug the day after the ruling was issued," according to the article, and "told Jones he was proud."

Said Jones: "I was totally taught
To worship all Darwinist thought.
Enthralled by convention,
I have the intention
To rule that all doubt is a plot."

Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

Where is the hypocrisy? They are not combining church and state.

Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:22:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Voice in the Wilderness said...
>>>>>> Where is the hypocrisy? They are not combining church and state. <<<<<<

They are playing footsie with religion. That's a no-no. If they keep doing that, people are going to start associating Darwinism with religion. If the Darwinists want to keep winning in court, they should not touch religion with a ten-foot pole.

Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you are making way too much of a fuss over this. It seems like a gesture of good will of sorts, to let both sides understand each other's goals and ideals. A lot of the crap thats being thrown around in this debate is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution theory and religious dogma, and the knee-jerk reactions that follows. I surprised that you didn't try to spin it as "OMG evil Darwinists attempting to convert members of the clergy into supporting evolution!!!!!"

Friday, July 20, 2007 12:08:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Anonymous said...

>>>>>> I think you are making way too much of a fuss over this. It seems like a gesture of good will of sorts, to let both sides understand each other's goals and ideals. <<<<<<<

If critics of evolution tried to do this sort of thing, it would be cited as evidence that all criticism of evolution is religious, and that evidence would be used against them in court. So ironically, critics of evolution are trying to distance themselves from religion while Darwinists are increasingly embracing it.

>>>>>> I surprised that you didn't try to spin it as "OMG evil Darwinists attempting to convert members of the clergy into supporting evolution!!!!!" <<<<<<

It's almost like you took the words right out of my mouth.

Friday, July 20, 2007 1:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

> They are playing footsie with religion. That's a no-no. If they keep doing that, people are going to start associating Darwinism with religion. <

And if people keep going into garages they will be mistaken for automobiles?

> If the Darwinists want to keep winning in court, they should not touch religion with a ten-foot pole. <

The courts are not that dumb. They will be able to see that there is no connection here.

Friday, July 20, 2007 4:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Bill Carter said...

Larry,

I have been trying to figure out where you get your last two analogies. There doesn't seem to be an inconsistency here. The Darwinists are not trying to mix issues, you are, just as when you find fault with ScienceBlogs.

Perhaps a class in logic might help. You definitely are missing something.

Friday, July 20, 2007 6:30:00 AM  

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