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Monday, January 05, 2009

The evolution controversy in the Islamic world

Top: A Darwin-to-Hitler collage from Harun Yahya's The Atlas of Creation
Bottom: Adnan Oktar, whose pen name is Harun Yahya.
Images courtesy harunyahya.com



A number of articles about the evolution controversy in the Islamic world have recently appeared [1] [2] [3] [4].

One of the articles says,
. . . .only 25 percent of adults in Turkey agree that human beings developed from earlier species of animals, whereas 40 percent of people in the United States agree with this scientific fact, Hameed writes. And Turkey is one of the most secular and educated of Muslim countries.

Hameed cites data from a 2007 sociological study by Riaz Hassan which revealed that only a minority in five Muslim countries agree that Darwin’s theory of evolution is probably or most certainly true: 16 percent of Indonesians, 14 percent of Pakistanis, 8 percent of Egyptians, 11 percent of Malaysians and 22 percent of Turks.

I have not seen much hand-wringing going on these Islamic countries in regard to how widespread disbelief in Darwinism has hurt their technological competitiveness.

The Harun Yahya website is really good, with a lot of scientific arguments against evolution and with articles with titles like the following:

The Darwinist Techniques of Clamor and Demagoguery

Darwinist Dictatorship -- Darwinism is a shamanist religion

Darwinism is the religion of the antichrist

The Global Darwinist Dictatorship Must Apologize to the Entire World!

I especially liked the Harun Yahya article "A whale fantasy from National Geographic." My blog also has an article about whale evolution. This all reminds me of Kirk Douglas singing in "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea," "Got a whale of a tale to tell ye lads, a whale of a tale or two . . . . "

A 2006 article says about intelligent design,

Intelligent design, a more recent argument about life’s origins that is championed by U.S. Christian groups, may also be making the leap across the Atlantic.

The concept's proponents say some organisms are too complex to have evolved without some superior cause, but avoid calling that cause God, for fear that such a reference would ban the concept from U.S. science textbooks. Last year, a federal judge in Pennsylvania ruled that even the intelligent-design formulation represented a strain of religious thought that should not be advocated in public schools.

Akyol, a Muslim believer who says Darwinism is incompatible with his faith, has been waging an uphill struggle to popularize intelligent design here. But most Turks show no interest because they see no need to avoid naming God.

His lonely campaign got an unexpected boost last month when Education Minister Huseyin Celik hinted on television that he might want to see it added to Turkish textbooks.

“If it’s wrong to say Darwin’s theory should not be in the books because it is in line with atheist propaganda, we can’t disregard intelligent design because it coincides with beliefs of monotheistic religions about creation,” he told CNN Turk.

So far the Clergy Letter folks have posted letters only for Christian clergy and rabbis to sign -- there is no letter yet for imams and ayatollahs. Maybe those Clergy Letter people are afraid that they would get a fatwa for insulting Islam.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have not seen much hand-wringing going on [in] these Islamic countries in regard to how widespread disbelief in Darwinism has hurt their technological competitiveness.

That is because they have none to be hurt. All of their technology is imported -- with considerable difficulty.

The Islamic countries are not into "handwringing" over any of their foibles anyway. They prefer scapegoats.

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"My biggest motivation for creating my own blogs was to avoid the arbitrary censorship ..."

Time for the "second biggest motivation"? LOL!

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous JINSA said...

JINSA Report #842
January 6, 2008
The Ducks are Lining Up - and Turkey is a Turkey

Middle East reaction to Israel's defensive operations in Gaza is split along lines indicating that the locals understand Israel's fight to be at least as much about Iran as about Hamas. The new alignment has major implications for future regional diplomacy, including President-elect Obama's desire to have a different relationship with Iran from his predecessor. (Outstanding as President Bush has been on Israel's self-defense and the nature of Hamas, there will be, sadly, no follow-through.)

On one side, Egypt and Jordan are, by absolute necessity, clearly aligned with the anti-Iranians - meaning with Israel. In Amman, King Abdullah replaced the chief of intelligence last week over his conversations with Hamas. Egypt is fighting in the Sinai to keep Muslim Brotherhood members from leaving Gaza for Egypt. More surprisingly - unless you consider Iran - Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have not only been quiet, there has been a spate of articles in the Gulf press questioning Hamas as a legitimate Palestinian leadership group and wondering aloud why the Arabs are so fixated on the Palestinian question anyhow. There is no free press in the Gulf.

Iran tried to call an emergency meeting of the 54-member Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC) to fulminate over "Palestine," but only eight countries agreed to show up. The Saudis said that since there was a regularly scheduled meeting of OIC foreign ministers in two weeks (now in about a week) there was no need for an emergency meeting. Palestine does not constitute an emergency. This is in line with Saudi, Bahraini and Omani gestures to Israel over the past year indicating that they see Israel as a partner in countering Iran.

And there is the point - Iran is trying to round up the usual suspects to denounce Israel, but a lot of those suspects would prefer to denounce Iran. Iran's allies are Syria, Hezbollah and Turkey. No surprises but Turkey and that's only a surprise if you haven't been paying attention.

Under the leadership of the AKP and Prime Minister Erdogan, Turkey has moved sharply from pro-Western to pro-Iranian. Some of this has to do with the U.S.-led overthrow of Saddam; some of it is old politics - Istanbul (now Ankara), Tehran, Cairo, Damascus and Baghdad are historic centers of regional power (it helps to think in centuries, not years). Muslim-but-not-Arab Turkey has moved to enhance its position in the Middle East at the expense of Arab Cairo and Arab Baghdad. Its key friend is Muslim-but-not-Arab Shiite Iran. Sunni-populated but Alawi-ruled Arab Syria has thrown in with the Shiite Persians.

Probably to justify its continuing relations with Israel, Turkey presents itself as a "mediator" between Israel and Syria, and Israel and the Palestinians - including Hamas, which was formally received in Ankara despite the protestations from the United States and Europe. Israel foolishly, and in the face of U.S. opposition, allowed itself to be used by Turkey in sham "peace" talks with Syria.

Now, after a "fact finding" tour that skipped Israel, Erdogan has "found" that Hamas strictly observed the "truce", but Israel is conducting "inhuman acts" in Gaza. "Allah," he said, "will punish those who violate the rights of the innocent." Turkish President Abdullah Gul added, "What Israel has done is nothing but atrocity." Strange words for Turks.

Turkey in or Turkey out, if the incoming Obama administration wants to play a useful role in regional politics, it should first understand that the paradigm has shifted, the ducks are realigned, the ground has moved, or whatever cliché you like. It is no longer simply "everybody in the region against Israel," and it is not about a Palestinian state. It is, rather, the pro-Iranian axis including Hamas and Hezbollah as its proxies vs. the anti-Iranian axis that puts Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States on the same side.

Our side. (emphasis added)

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Harun Yahya said...

4- What Do Unbelieving Evolutionists Maintain?

They Claim That Amino Acids and Proteins Can Emerge by Chance from Boiling Water

In another scenario they have come up with, evolutionists claim that amino acids, proteins and even cells can form by chance in boiling water, and that cells can also combine together by chance to give rise to living organisms.

What Will Happen in Hell?

When They Are Thirsty in Hell, Unbelievers Will Be Given the Boiling Water They Adopted as a Deity to Drink

"Each and every one of you will return to Him. Allah's promise is true. He brings creation out of nothing and then regenerates it so that he can repay with justice those who had faith and did right actions. Those who were unbelievers will have A DRINK OF SCALDING WATER and a painful punishment because of their disbelief." (Surah Yunus, 4)

"Then they will have A BOILING BREW TO DRINK on top of it. Then their destination will be the Blazing Fire." (Surat as-Saffat, 67-68)

"... you deniers will eat from the tree of Zaqqum, filling your stomachs with it AND DRINK SCALDING WATER ON TOP OF IT, SLURPING LIKE THIRST-CRAZED CAMELS. (Surat al-Waqi‘a 52-55)

On the other hand, the Credulous Believers will have refreshing camel urine to drink, as prescribed by the Prophet himself.

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Hugh Troy said...

Is that the same Adnan Oktar that is currently serving three years in jail for sex with under aged girls?

You should look at the man's credentials before you post his silly ideas on your blog.

Monday, January 12, 2009 4:46:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Denyse O'Leary's Post-Darwinist blog suggests that he could be in jail.

I agree with a lot of his ideas, but posting his ideas here is not necessarily an endorsement.

He has a lot of influence.

Monday, January 12, 2009 5:03:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Anonymous said (Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:53:00 AM) --
>>>>>>I have not seen much hand-wringing going on [in] these Islamic countries in regard to how widespread disbelief in Darwinism has hurt their technological competitiveness.

That is because they have none to be hurt. All of their technology is imported -- with considerable difficulty. <<<<<<<

As an engineer, I know that a lot of people with Arab -- and probably Islamic -- backgrounds are prominent in engineering. There are a lot of areas of technology where Darwinism is irrelevant and not just relevant but insignificant.

Anonymous said (Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:01:00) --
>>>>>>"My biggest motivation for creating my own blogs was to avoid the arbitrary censorship ..."

Time for the "second biggest motivation"? LOL! <<<<<<<<

My no-moderation, no-censorship policy was impossible to maintain because some trolls saw this blog as a big threat to their ideas and hence were determined to sabotage it. However, I discovered that there are other good reasons for having a blog.

Monday, January 12, 2009 5:17:00 AM  

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