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Friday, August 18, 2006

Linking Lincoln myth to Darwin myth

The organizers of the Darwin Day Celebration have really been making a big deal about the coincidence that Lincoln and Darwin have the same birthdate (actually, the exact birthdate of Lincoln might be uncertain because he was born on the frontier, where they might have lost track of the date). The website for the Darwin Day Celebration gushes,

Lincoln and Darwin -- The Emancipators' Legacies

These two great men were born on the same day, in the same year: Sunday, February 12, 1809. . . . . . Lincoln freed American slaves from physical servitude while Darwin freed the human mind from the bonds of supernatural dogma.

IMO, linking Lincoln to Darwin is a bad idea. For one thing, they really had nothing in common other than their official birthdates. Also, Lincoln is not universally admired. He is often blamed for widespread flagrant violations of civil liberties and for the Civil War. Lincoln hardly deserves credit for emancipating the slaves -- the Emancipation Proclamation was mainly just a war measure that was issued for the purpose of helping to save the Union. In his first inaugural address, Lincoln said that he had no objection to a proposed irreversible constitutional amendment -- which had already passed Congress and been submitted to the states for ratification -- that would have permanently barred the federal government from interfering with slavery in the states. And Lincoln -- like many other prominent politicians of his day -- publicly espoused racist views. In the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln said,

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position."

As for the statement, "Darwin freed the human mind from the bonds of supernatural dogma," Darwin does not deserve any credit for that. Scientists that preceded him -- notably Copernicus and Galileo -- did that, at great personal sacrifice in the case of Galileo, who was persecuted by the Catholic church.

If Darwin and Lincoln did not fortuitously have the same birthdates, probably no one would have ever thought of connecting the two men. And IMO, associating Lincoln with Darwin does nothing to enhance the image of Darwin or Darwinism.

Anyway, this Darwin Day Celebration website makes it clear that Darwinism is acquiring all of the trappings of a religion or cult.

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Anonymous Voice In The Urbanness said...

You were right. The dunce is getting frantic. What a non-issue.

Friday, August 18, 2006 1:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice In The Urbanness said...

I forgot to mention that the above was meant for ViW. The dimwit (Larry(?)) was likely to believe that it was meant for him.

Friday, August 18, 2006 1:28:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Voice In The Urbanness said ( 1:25:24 PM ) --
>>>>> You were right. The dunce is getting frantic. What a non-issue. <<<<<

Voice In The Urbanness said ( 1:28:03 PM ) --
>>>>>> I forgot to mention that the above was meant for ViW. <<<<<<

Thank you. I agree -- ViW is a frantic dunce.

Friday, August 18, 2006 7:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Bill Carter said...

Pathetic, Larry(?). Surely you can do better than that.

Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It appears that the comment count is no longer working. Just as the blogger continues his mental decline, the blog itself seems to be having similar problems

Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:47:00 AM  
Blogger Ed Darrell said...

Both men determined at an early age that slavery was a bad idea, and that slavery based on race was reprehensible. Both men were astute students of human nature. Both men were astute students of scripture, astute enough to recognize that what most people believe the Bible says, it doesn't.

Plus, they were born on the same day. (Accusing frontier Americans of being unable to tell the day is hardly a way to endear yourself to people, Larry.)

Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:10:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Ed Darrell said ( 8/20/2006 06:10:26 AM ) --

>>>>>Both men determined at an early age that slavery was a bad idea, and that slavery based on race was reprehensible. Both men were astute students of human nature. Both men were astute students of scripture, astute enough to recognize that what most people believe the Bible says, it doesn't. <<<<<<<

What does Darwinism have to do with slavery? And what does Darwinism have to do with the Bible and human nature?

Do you think that those essays posted on the Darwin Day website are going to be objective about Lincoln?

Identifying Darwin with Lincoln is no better than that TV program that identifies Darwinism with Hitler.

>>>>>> Plus, they were born on the same day. (Accusing frontier Americans of being unable to tell the day is hardly a way to endear yourself to people, Larry.) <<<<<<

Many people on the frontier lived in isolation for long periods and it is entirely conceivable that they often lost track of the date. It is probable that many dates in history are wrong.

Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Voice In The Wilderness said...

"It is probable that many dates in history are wrong."

It is really reaching in this case. When you have made a fool of yourself, why don't you just bow out gracefully?

Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:29:00 PM  
Blogger jbass said...

Hi all, you just wandered into "the Church of Liberalism" and Godlessness at Darwin-Lincoln site. They have cleverly distorted Ann Coulter's new book by taking one little issue, the NJ Girls, and using it to distract the real meat of this book.

The Chapters wherein she debunks DARWINISM.

You must read these chapters so you will know what your children are being mistaught and take some action at your local schools to change this. The inroads against Intelligent Design, the misinformation the children are getting is enormously erroneous, we must turn this around.

Your comment about Catholic persecution of Galileo is totally wrong read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science by Tom Bethell and learn the truth about the Catholic Church and Science.

josie

Monday, August 21, 2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger jbass said...

The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science by Tom Bethell also debunks that the Darwinian evolution is supported by overwhelming evidence. It is a well orchestrated MYTH!

Science myths busted in this book, read it and see for yourselves!

Monday, August 21, 2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger jbass said...

ps. this is really funny, the more I think about it.

Lincoln's birth and genealogy is by no means certain, and continues to be disccussed to this day - many have claimed proof he was a bastard.
Lincoln himself was mum on the subject of his birth, that ought to tell you something.

See what lengths the Darwin church will go to gain uneducated followers.

check this out- a google search will turn up even more.

The Eugenics of PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN by James Caswell Coggins, A.M., S.T.D., Ph.D., LL.D., Founder and First President of Atlantic Christian College Wilson, North Carolina and Author shows that Abraham Lincoln was really the bastard child of Nancy Hanks and Abraham ENLOE of North Carolina. THE EUGENICS OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN and a descendant of Tanner line of Virginia. Michael Tanner (Columbus Tanner's uncle) was the father of Nancy by Lucy Hanks.

http://www.blueridge.net/~chadm/

Monday, August 21, 2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

jbass said ( 8/21/2006 11:15:04 AM ) --

>>>>> Hi all, you just wandered into "the Church of Liberalism" and Godlessness at Darwin-Lincoln site. They have cleverly distorted Ann Coulter's new book by taking one little issue, the NJ Girls, and using it to distract the real meat of this book. <<<<<

Giving a direct URL link to the specific article would really help!

>>>>> The inroads against Intelligent Design, the misinformation the children are getting is enormously erroneous, we must turn this around. <<<<<<

Just a reminder that there are also important non-ID scientific criticisms of evolution, e.g., criticisms concerning co-evolution (the evolution of co-dependence between organisms, e.g., the co-dependence between flowers and pollinators) and the propagation of beneficial mutations in sexual reproduction.

>>>>> Your comment about Catholic persecution of Galileo is totally wrong read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science by Tom Bethell and learn the truth about the Catholic Church and Science. <<<<<

The confrontation between Galileo and the Catholic church is a subject of great debate. A few years ago, the Catholic church itself formally apologized for its persecution of Galileo. However, I believe that because Galileo did not present adequate proof of heliocentrism, the church did not say in its apology that the disagreement with Galileo was unjustified.

Monday, August 21, 2006 12:56:00 PM  
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Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:44:00 PM  
Blogger jbass said...

Sorry if I confused you.

>>>>> Hi all, you just wandered into "the Church of Liberalism" and Godlessness at Darwin-Lincoln site. They have cleverly distorted Ann Coulter's new book by taking one little issue, the NJ Girls, and using it to distract the real meat of this book. <<<<<

Giving a direct URL link to the specific article would really help!

What I meant to portray was the fact that all this hulla baloo about the NJ girls was created to detract from the real honest too goodness great stuff in Ann Coulter's great book. "Godlessness" the Church of Liberalism.

Think about the title for a minute - the Church of - after you read the book you will see that liberalism-secularism is indeed a religion and gets a free pass to enter anywhere, whereas the Christian Religion is deemed to be breaking the contitution.

Besides, the NJ girl part certainly rung a bell with me - I am glad she wrote it! I even had one of those victium shields wielder in my own family, they learned it worked when they were just babies at their mother's knee. You are always wrong and they always get their way, unless you open your eyes to it and laugh at them.

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:47:00 PM  
Blogger Dave Fafarman said...

< because Galileo did not present adequate proof of heliocentrism >

Galileo tried to get the clerics who were persecuting him to look through his telescope at the mountains on the moon, the moons of Jupiter, and the phases of Venus. They refused.

Declining to review the evidence does not demonstrate "inadequate proof".

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:37:00 PM  

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