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Tuesday, September 26, 2006

Unnoticed victory in Dover case: ID book not banned from school library

It was noted on Panda's Thumb that the plaintiffs in the Kitzmiller v. Dover case expressly stated that they were not seeking "to remove books from the school library." Hence, though the defendants lost, the 58 donated copies of the ID book Of Pandas and People could remain in the school library. It is unlikely that private parties' donations of anti-Darwinist books to public-school libraries will be challenged in the future in the courts, so such donations are a good way to get anti-Darwinism into the schools. These books might someday become as common as Gideon Bibles. The courts might even hold that the use of tax money to purchase one or a few copies per school library is constitutional, if such usage of tax money is ever challenged in court.

The Darwinists on Panda's Thumb and Questionable Authority have accused the Discovery Institute's John West of falsely claiming that the Kitzmiller decision banned the book Of Pandas and People from school libraries. I think that John West was right in claiming that the book was banned -- it was in fact banned from even being merely mentioned in science classrooms. However, his following statement wrongly implied that the book was banned from school libraries: "While I did not favor the Dover policy, the idea that it was an affront to the First Amendment to make Of Pandas and People available to students on a voluntary basis is simply Orwellian." Understandably, West might have been unaware that the plaintiffs expressly stated that they were not seeking to have the book removed from the school library.

West nominated the book for the dubious distinction of being the banned book of the year for the "Banned Books Week" event. The American Library Association, one of the co-sponsors of "Banned Books Week", said that the event covers "challenged" books as well as banned books:

Each year, the American Library Association (ALA) is asked why the week is called “Banned Books Week” instead of “Challenged Books Week,” since the majority of the books featured during the week are not banned, but “merely” challenged. There are two reasons. One, ALA does not “own” the name Banned Books Week, but is just one of several cosponsors of BBW; therefore, ALA cannot change the name without all the cosponsors agreeing to a change. Two, none want to do so, primarily because a challenge is an attempt to ban or restrict materials, based upon the objections of a person or group. A successful challenge would result in materials being banned or restricted.

Also, the ALA says that a "challenge" to a book can include an attempt at removal from a curriculum as well as removal from a library:

A challenge is an attempt to remove or restrict materials, based upon the objections of a person or group. A banning is the removal of those materials. Challenges do not simply involve a person expressing a point of view; rather, they are an attempt to remove material from the curriculum or library, thereby restricting the access of others.

So contrary to the claims of the Darwinists, Of Pandas and People is clearly eligible to be selected as a banned book of the year. However, apparently there is no special "banned book of the year" contest in the "Banned Books Week" event -- the books are just ranked according to the number of times that they are challenged.

It is quite obvious why I was banned from Panda's Thumb, Dispatches from the Culture Wars, and Austringer (Wesley Elsberry's blog) -- the Darwinists there don't want me raining on their parades.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another pointless post.

Nobody is trying to ban ID books from the library. They can be placed where they are appropriate; fiction or religion.

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:35:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Anonymous said...

>>>>> Another pointless post. <<<<<<

Everything that doesn't meet your fancy is pointless to you.

>>>>> Nobody is trying to ban ID books from the library. <<<<<<

Wrong again. The lead plaintiff, Tammy Kitzmiller, said in a deposition, "I don't feel it [the book] should be anywhere in the school at all," even though the ACLU had advised the plaintiffs against stating such a position --

Although Plaintiffs’ “Prayer for Relief” asks this Court to remove Of Pandas and People from DASD’s “science classrooms” – leaving aside for the moment the appropriateness of asking a federal court to remove books from any classroom – when questioned directly about this book during her deposition, Plaintiff [Tammy] Kitzmiller plainly stated, “I don’t feel it should be anywhere in the school at all.” (See Kitzmiller Dep. at 100-01 at Ex. 1) (emphasis added).

(Defense Response to Motion to Intervene, p. 3, footnote 2. Emphases, citations, etc. are original.)
-- from Panda's Thumb article by Nick Matzke

Anyway, the Darwinists on Panda's Thumb and Questionable Authority accused John West of wrongly claiming that the book had been banned from the library and I saw some truth in those accusations and I wanted to set the record straight. If you think that was pointless of me, then maybe you should go to Panda's Thumb and Questionable Authority and tell them that you think it was pointless of them to comment about West's article.

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

> Everything that doesn't meet your fancy is pointless to you. <

No. Everything that is pointless is pointless to me. It doesn't have to meet my fancy.

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 8:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice In The Wilderness said...

It just occurred to me, Larry(?). Do you honestly believe that you have ever done more than show yourself to be a witless troll with your arguments? I am wondering just how delusional you are.

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 6:42:00 AM  
Blogger Dave Fafarman said...

< 58 donated copies of the ID book Of Pandas and People could remain in the school library. >

Not bad for a worthless polemic. What other books does this library have 58 copies of, on their scarce shelf space?

Maybe I should sign up with the ACLU (gulp!) (aagh!).

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a picture of Larry(?) in my mind. It is that of a clown with his pants pulled down to his ankles and a face full of lemon merangue pie running around ranting "I won.".

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice In The Wilderness said...

Anonymous, you must have seen Larry(?) to have described him so accurately.

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:00:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Fake Dave said --

>>>>> What other books does this library have 58 copies of, on their scarce shelf space? <<<<<<

What makes you think that the 58 books are stored on shelves? Maybe all or most of these books are stored in boxes. And why do you think that shelf space is scarce in the library?

You are assuming an awful lot.

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

meringue (sp)

Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Voice In The Wilderness said...

Fake Larry(?) said...

> And why do you think that shelf space is scarce in the library? <

Perhaps he got it from an "interpretation" like the wild ones you make.

On the other hand, he may be aware of the fact that most school libraries are suffering from a shortage of shelf space. Since you rarely leave your cave, you would be unaware of this.

Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:47:00 AM  

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