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Labels: Judge Jones (2 of 2)
posted by Larry Fafarman | 5/05/2007 06:53:00 PM
8 Comments:
Not being in the top 100 for a second time is hardly being dumped. You have never had your 15 minutes of fame.
>>>>> Not being in the top 100 for a second time is hardly being dumped. <<<<<
Just one appearance in the list was too many.
You will have to take one side or the other here. If the teaching of evolution is important then Judge Jones belongs in the top 100. Most people probably don't believe that evolution (science) vs ID, witchcraft, and other pseudosciences is that important an issue.
Anonymous said...
>>>>> You will have to take one side or the other here. <<<<<<
The side I am taking is that Jones and his Kitzmiller decision have been thoroughly discredited, so it doesn't matter whether or not people think that evolution education is important.
> The side I am taking is that Jones and his Kitzmiller decision have been thoroughly discredited <
Only in your mind. Why not deal with reality?
> so it doesn't matter whether or not people think that evolution education is important. <
I would say for a list of important men it would matter if the subject that brought them notoriety was of any importance.
Peter Irons says,
Larry, the fact that Judge Jones wasn't listed a second time has nothing to do with the importance of his Kitzmiller opinion (and if you keep saying the majority of law review articles about it are critical of the opinion, which is untrue, I'm going to barf.
Perhaps a better way to view the Good Judge's absence from the list is that his decision was so complete, so legally thorough, that no one in the ID camp has come up for air long enough to develop a new strategy with which to strongarm another local school system's biology teacher into teaching ID as though it actually had scientific merit.
You won't hear about Judge Jones again, I suspect, until creationism comes up with a new PR package and the Disco Institute Boys have a shot at pretending that they're relevant again.
PiGuy said,
>>>>> Perhaps a better way to view the Good Judge's absence from the list is that his decision was so complete, so legally thorough, that no one in the ID camp has come up for air long enough to develop a new strategy with which to strongarm another local school system's biology teacher into teaching ID as though it actually had scientific merit. <<<<<<
The ID-as-science section of the decision was written by the ACLU, not by the "Good Judge." And ID was not actually "taught" in the Dover school district -- it was only mentioned. And the reason why school districts must be "strongarmed" is that many taxpayers have this phobia about anything that might cost a little money -- like a lawsuit. In the Selman v. Cobb County case, the Cobb County board of education took a dive even though it had the upper hand -- the school district was rich, it was getting free legal representation, and the appeals court panel that vacated and remanded the case had indicated that it was leaning towards reversal. If a bill to ban or cap attorney fee awards in establishment clause cases is enacted into law, school districts will no longer need to be strongarmed into creating balance in evolution education.
Also, Judge Jones is just a single federal district court judge -- his opinions carry little precedential weight.
>>>>> You won't hear about Judge Jones again, I suspect, until creationism comes up with a new PR package and the Disco Institute Boys have a shot at pretending that they're relevant again. <<<<<
The evolution debate is bigger than ever -- just follow the news. For example, a group of major Republican presidential contenders were recently asked if they believed in evolution -- three said no.
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