Ich bin ein Darwinist (apologies to JFK)
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LOL. I know that the ADL will just LOVE this one.
Labels: Darwin-to-Hitler
posted by Larry Fafarman | 2/20/2008 10:02:00 PM
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22 Comments:
This is the most intelligent argument that you have yet given. Oh wait! You didn't give an argument. Well the statement still holds.
Larry, I hope you do not mind if I use this great image at my Blog, ShelleyTheRepublican.com
We are a pro-family values news / commentary site dedicated to providing the kind of blanced news that has long been excluded by the mainstream media.
Feel free to contribute an article - we need some coverage of what happened in Florida and how the evolutionists distort the law in order to force their evil doctrine on our kids.
>>>>> Larry, I hope you do not mind if I use this great image at my Blog, ShelleyTheRepublican.com <<<<<
Of course I don't mind. Nothing on this blog is copyrighted and anything here may be used with or without attribution (except that things that I borrowed from other sources should be attributed to their original sources).
I should add that this picture does not represent my personal views -- it is intended mainly as a joke. Darwinism's influence on Nazism of course has nothing to do with the scientific merits of Darwinism.
Jimmy,
You are of course free to identify or not identify the source of the picture, as you wish, but I would prefer that you not identify the source. I found your blog to be racially offensive and I would rather not be associated with it.
You fundies do know that the majority of Hitler's anti-semitic rhetoric borrowed significantly from the bible right? In his book, Mein Kampf, there are several dozen references taken from the bible, some modified to redirect hatred against Jews. In fact, here is a quote from a speech given on April 12, 1922 by Hitler:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
According to Hitler, it was his godly duty to fight the "Jewish poison" There is great confusion as to exactly how Darwin's teachings contributed to the Holocaust. The truth of the matter is, yes, the Nazi eugenics program did subscribe to Darwin's "survival of the fittest" theories, but the Christian bible was the main justification for the mass extermination of the millions of Jewish people. But, you fundies/"family values" types just like to gloss over this little fact dontcha?
> it is intended mainly as a joke. <
This whole blog is intended mainly as a joke.
the evilutionist said...
>>>>> There is great confusion as to exactly how Darwin's teachings contributed to the Holocaust. <<<<<
I agree. The Holocaust was not really a eugenics program because it did not target the physically and/or mentally unfit. And as you may be aware, I feel that a "systematic" Holocaust was impossible because the Nazis had no objective and reliable ways of identifying Jews and non-Jews. Also, many anti-semites would have been afraid of being mistaken for Jews themselves.
>>>>> The truth of the matter is, yes, the Nazi eugenics program did subscribe to Darwin's "survival of the fittest" theories <<<<<
Many Darwinists deny that there is any connection between Darwin and the Nazi eugenics programs. But the Nazis were influenced by American eugenics programs, and in the USA the Eugenics Record Office merged with the Station for Experimental Evolution in 1920 to form the Carnegie Institution's Dept. of Genetics.
I may get a lot of flak for this, but the Jews themselves made it extremely easy for the Nazis to identify them. The Jewish culture back then, was considered very exclusive and didn't assimilate well within the societies of their host countries.
In addition to being a religion, it also holds family lines as an aspect of membership, to the point of being an ethnicity/race. They tended to aggregate in the same communities, spoke their own language(Hebrew or a dialect of, i.e. Yiddish, Ladino, etc), and generally exhibited behaviors and mannerisms different from non-Jewish societies of their host countries. As mentioned before, family lines entitled membership, so surnames acted as identifying markers. Religious customs such as circumcision also left physical markers that could be used to identify a Jew. The fact that the Judaism as a faith was so ingrained into the very lives of Jewish communities, from business to social, their gentile neighbors would have no trouble identifying the Jewish members of their communities just by observation alone. (The butcher shop on the corner with the Kosher sign? Jewish owners. The bakery that closes on Saturday? Also Jewish. Family downstairs overheard speaking Yiddish? Definitely Jewish. All those people going to the local synagogue? Jewish.) Keep in mind these aspects existed before the Holocaust and people took notice. When Hitler was riding the nationalistic antisemitism platform, the neighbors of these Jewish communities were still there and they didn't just forget who was or was not Jewish. Some even served as informers when the round-up began.
Here's your "systemic" Holocaust. From birth records, Jewish business owners, checking if people have been circumcised, synagogue member lists, and community informants, the Nazi's had many tools to execute the Holocaust on such a grand scale. Their weakest method of identifying Jews was racial anthropology, which I'm sure you, Larry, were basing the majority of your Holocaust denial on. Racial anthropology was a crappy way of identifying Jews, but by then, the majority of the Jewish population was already rounded up through the previous methods. However, racial anthropology wasn't entirely ineffective, as some Jewish people, particularly the Ashkenazis, did tend to intermarry and develop a certain "look" that was ascribed to Jewishness. What I just said may sound racist, but it did exist, and goes on to the point where genetic diseases such as Tay-Sachs are prevalent in these communities even today.
The "Jimmy Goddard" blog is actually a piece of gross satire: and directed against fundies, evidently. For instance, it can be reached from www.billybobneck.com
Get it? The idea is "Billy Bob the Redneck." And there are links both ways.
But whatever's going on, it's disgusting. And puerile.
< racially offensive >
I too find much of the "STR" blog to be racially offensive. However, even there, one can find some nuggets of wisdom.
As for the BillyBobNeck site, it is not correct to call it "racist". Its angst is ideological. For example, besides positive mention of the Jewish Dennis Prager, there's the following ringing endorsement of Alan Keyes:
Y’all come over and join me at http://twitter.com/stronline and cheer as Alan Keyes kicks butt for America and God.
Keyes is far blacker than Obambi, who has been said to be only 1/16th Negro.
The following, though, also from BBN, is a bit amusing:
Does the name Clarence Thomas ring a bell? How about J.C. Watts? Dinesh D’Souza? Condoleeza Rice? The Republican Party gave all of these fine Negro Americans a chance (to) succeed in careers that the Democrat Party would not trust them with.
(D'Souza is Caucasian.)
Returning to the STR site, some of the satire there (in support of the Protect America Act) is on target:
Lie-berals would rather let the towelheads blow up America than respect the folks that allow them to make all their anonymous phone sex calls.
And:
There’s a lot of lie-berals that still don’t understand how letting the Protect America Act expire leads to a nuclear attack on American soil.
Lemme explain it to you in a way that makes sense. Let’s say you’re a lie-beral, which means you’re a homo. You’re walking down the street and see some new teenage boy you wanna have anal sex with. Before the PAA expired, you could just do what you usually do which is pull the boy in an alley and violate him right there and then. Now that the PAA has expired, you gotta make an appointment to see a doctor for an AIDS test, get the test done and wait for the results to prove that you’re fit enough to rape a teenager. Of course, by the time you’re done, you’re prey is gone.
It’s the same with the Protect America Act. Our national intelligence agencies need the agility to rape teenage boys without the paperwork. Now that you understand, I’m sure you’ll wanna re-instate it right away.
I wonder how ACLUer Ed Brayton would respond to those?
> The Holocaust was not really a eugenics program because it did not target the physically and/or mentally unfit. <
Hello, anybody home? Even members of Hitler's own family were killed because they were thought to be physically and/or mentally unfit.
> And as you may be aware, I feel that a "systematic" Holocaust was impossible because the Nazis had no objective and reliable ways of identifying Jews and non-Jews. <
You can't learn, can you? Those ways have been discussed numerous times on this blog. Where were you?
Evilutionist said,
>>>>> The Jewish culture back then, was considered very exclusive and didn't assimilate well within the societies of their host countries. <<<<<<
But it is argued that many of the victims of the Holocaust were assimilated Jews -- that many did not even think of themselves as Jews, not even secular Jews. There is not even any objective definition of what a Jew is. And in Nazi-occupied Europe, certainly many Jews who formerly would have dressed like Jews and lived like Jews would have tried to hide their identities. I don't question that many Jews were persecuted, imprisoned, and murdered -- what I question is that there was a "systematic" Holocaust to exterminate all the Jews of Europe.
>>>>> As mentioned before, family lines entitled membership, so surnames acted as identifying markers. <<<<<
A lot of German and Eastern-European names of non-Jews sound Jewish.
>>>>> Religious customs such as circumcision also left physical markers that could be used to identify a Jew. <<<<<<
I don't know the extent to which circumcision was an exclusive Jewish practice. Also, I don't hear stories of the Nazis going around pantsing people. And this method of identification would not work on females.
It is said that the Nazis relied on "informers" in other countries, but the Nazis could not trust these informers and there could not have been enough informers to have identified more than a handful of Jews. Also, as I said, many people would have been afraid of being misidentified as Jews themselves. Many Europeans became refugees, making identification much more difficult. The Nazis just rounded people up en masse without any identification of individuals.
Official holocaust historians refuse to address these questions -- they just wave their arms and say that the Nazis "just knew" who the Jews were.
A stupid book titled "IBM and the Holocaust" claimed that the Nazis used primitive IBM Hollerith-card machines to identify all the Jews of Europe by means of data stored on millions or billions of Hollerith cards.
Also, a major Nazi holocaust archive was closed to holocaust historians until last year -- why was that?
>>>>> did tend to intermarry and develop a certain "look" that was ascribed to Jewishness. <<<<<
So Jimmy "Shnozzola" Durante was Jewish?
>>>>> goes on to the point where genetic diseases such as Tay-Sachs are prevalent in these communities even today. <<<<<<
The Nazis did not have DNA-testing technology.
BTW, French Canadians and Irish-Americans are also relatively likely to be carriers of Tay-Sachs disease.
More info is under the "Holocaust Revisionism" post labels in the sidebar.
(Re Protect America Act)
"When Congress reconvenes on Monday, members of the House have a choice to make: They can empower the trial bar, or they can empower the intelligence community," (President) Bush said in his Saturday radio address. "They can help class-action trial lawyers sue for billions of dollars, or they can help our intelligence officials protect millions of lives."
P.S. For some, "empowering the trial bar" is likely a stronger motivator than "civil liberties".
< BTW, French Canadians and Irish-Americans are also relatively likely to be carriers of Tay-Sachs disease. >
Larry, the above comment is a microcosm of what is wrong with your method of analysis and style of "research". Perhaps you could really learn something here, if you were so inclined.
Knowing anything at all about Tay-Sachs disease, even having heard of it, is not common knowledge. Even though it did not directly support his argument, the "evilutionist" mentioned it in appropriate context. You evidently dug up this nugget, which is irrelevant, and mention it as if it were relevant. Why do you do that? It is a sort-of-interesting aside, but it is way off topic.
Because you do present it as an argument instead of a curiosity, it winds up being just irritating and contributes to people jumping on you. Maybe that is what you want?
>>>>> Because you do present it as an argument instead of a curiosity <<<<<
No, it was intended to be a curiosity -- that's why I said "BTW."
> And as you may be aware, I feel that a "systematic" Holocaust was impossible because the Nazis had no objective and reliable ways of identifying Jews and non-Jews. <
They didn't need "objective" and "reliable" for a power play.
Hitler got the ball rolling by assassinating his close associate Ernst Röhm along with over 100 other SA Nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
Need I say more?
> Need I say more? <
Interestingly it has a list of all of the significant holocaust deniers. Larry of course is not listed as he is not significant.
>>>>> Larry of course is not listed as he is not significant. <<<<<
It is obvious why I am not listed, bozo. If I were listed, that would make me "notable," and then the Wickedpedians would have to allow links to my blogs and they don't want to do that.
> If I were listed, that would make me "notable," and then the Wickedpedians would have to allow links to my blogs and they don't want to do that. <
You flatter yourself. The Wikipedia editors don't think about you at all. Nobody would if you weren't such a good source of schadenfreude.
"It is obvious why I am not listed, bozo. If I were listed, that would make me "notable," and then the Wickedpedians would have to allow links to my blogs and they don't want to do that."
Interesting. You're an anti-Semite, a megalomaniac, and you're paranoid. Perhaps you should consider medication?
As for being a Holocaust denier, you have great company. Perhaps you should hang out with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
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