Ahmadinejad blames holocaust "myth" for Israeli-Palestinian conflict
From the National Post (Canada) Feb. 16, 2007
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A news article says,
Geneva – A major UN anti-racism conference already wounded by the boycott of nine Western countries, opened Monday with the buzz of anticipation for a speech by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – the only head of state who accepted an invitation to attend.
Mr. Ahmadinejad, who has referred to the Holocaust as a "myth" and called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," assailed the West for supporting the creation of the Jewish state after the atrocities of World War II.
"Under the pretext of Jewish suffering, they have helped bring to power the most oppressive, racist regime in Palestine," he said, to loud applause from Iranian activists in the gallery and pockets of headscarved Muslim women on the floor. "They have always been silent about their crimes."
With that, the 23 European Union countries who had not yet boycotted the conference abandoned their seats and streamed out of the hall, which was met by a smattering of more applause.
Pres. Ahmadinejad is a rather unsavory character and it is unfortunate that he is one of the world's best-known holocaust revisionists -- it gives holocaust revisionism a bad name.
My position is that a "systematic" Jewish holocaust was impossible because the Nazis had no objective and reliable ways of identifying Jews and non-Jews.
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posted by Larry Fafarman | 4/21/2009 04:12:00 AM
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The ways that Jews could be identified have been covered many times yet you refuse to open your eyes.
Anonymous (Aleksandr), you stupid dunghill, you completely ignored the things that I said.
>>>>>> and by having most Jews identifying themselves as Jews and in ghettos it was easy for the Nazis to systematically murder them, which they did. <<<<<<<
Edwin Black, author of "IBM and the Holocaust," who is supposed to be an expert on the subject of Nazi identification of Jews, said,
To Nazis, Jews were not just those who practiced Judaism, but those of Jewish blood, regardless of their assimilation, intermarriage, religious activity, or even conversion to Christianity . . . .
I was haunted by a question whose answer has long eluded historians. The Germans always had the lists of Jewish names. . . . But how did the Nazis get the lists? For decades, no one has known. Few have asked.
>>>>>> There were other ways of easily identifying Jews. For Jewish males it was a simple matter of checking if they were circumcised, as almost all Polish Catholics (and most European males) were never circumcised. <<<<<<<
What about women? And where are the pictures or stories of the Nazis pantsing guys? I don't think the Nazis would have done that because doing that would have made the Nazis look like gays, and the Nazis hated gays.
>>>>> Most Poles were also quite willing to identify Jews to Germans when necessary too, given the high level of anti-semitism fostered by the Catholic Church in Poland. <<<<<<
You stopid jackass, why would the Nazis have trusted people who would rat on their neighbors? And you said that the Nazis killed as many Polish Catholics as Polish Jews. Why would Polish Catholics have helped the Nazis? This "informer" stuff is a load of crap. And relying on "informers" is simply not a reliable way of identifying Jews.
>>>>>> A "systematic" Jewish holocaust was possible because the Nazis were able to identify most Jews. <<<<<<
How? That is just an unsupported assertion.
>>>>>>> If you have you will actually see that the way the Nazis actually identified Jews in most countries was through existing data in the countries they occupied, such as government records and censuses. <<<<<<<
Doofus, the book "IBM and the Holocaust" said that the Nazis used the IBM Hollerith machines to cross-correlate data stored on billions of Hollerith cards. That's impossible, because those primitive machines could only read, sort, and merge a few cards at a time. The book says, "Jews could not hide from millions of punch cards thudding through Hollerith machines, comparing names across generations, address changes across regions, family trees and personal data across unending registries." That's ridiculous. Also, the map of Europe changed dramatically after WW 1, and so a lot of the older records must have been lost because there was no continuity of governments to maintain them. The book was contradicted by the former senior historian of the research institute of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Holocaust Museum, who said, "We have no proof that the Hollerith was ever used to target individuals for deportation lists." [link]
To have a "systematic" Jewish holocaust, the ways of identifying Jews and non-Jews must work all of the time, not just occasionally.
The Nazis just rounded up people en masse — there was no time to do individual genealogical studies or other background checks on them. And even today, we don’t know exactly what a Jew is. How can there be a “systematic” Jewish holocaust when we don’t even know exactly what a Jew is?
The issue of identification of Jews and non-Jews should be central to holocaust studies but has been almost completely ignored.
>>>>>> Now that that has been said, I should also point out that a hypocrite you are. You say on your blog that:
"Censorship will be avoided in my blogs -- there will be no deletion of comments, no closing of comment threads, no holding up of comments for moderation, and no commenter registration hassles." <<<<<
You lousy, disgusting sack of living crap, I'm am not going to change the header of my blog just because lousy trolls like you forced me to impose comment moderation. I was getting comments that (1) contained nothing but scoffing, (2) lies about objective facts, and (3) gossip about my private affairs. If I am so hypocritical, dunghill, then why did you bother writing such a long comment? Did you actually think that I was going to publish it?
>>>>>> your selectively quoting a book you haven't even read <<<<<<<
I read the book's long introduction, which had the book's essence. Why should I read the whole book if the book's long introduction does not make a good case for it?
>>>>> your complete ignorance about how the Nazis identified many Jews <<<<<<
What do you mean, my "complete ignorance about how the Nazis identified many Jews," dunghill -- you think I haven't heard it all by now?
>>>>> their willingness to kill non-Jews if they thought it would bring them closer to wiping out Europe's Jews <<<<<<
So why would anyone, even a virulent anti-Semite, collaborate with the Nazis?
>>>>> Like all Holocaust deniers/revisionists your racism is out there for all people to see. <<<<<<
That is just an ad hominem attack with no foundation, dunghill.
These trolls seem to be exceedingly phoney. It's clear that Larry has always done his best to maintain a perfectly unmoderated, free and open blog. And even now, although he finally feels forced to moderate to some degree, he still obviously publishes almost all of the tirades that these trolls submit. It's clear that nobody is stronger than Larry in supporting free speech and freedom of expression.
Jim Sherwood said,
>>>>>> And even now, although he finally feels forced to moderate to some degree, he still obviously publishes almost all of the tirades that these trolls submit. <<<<<
I don't publish the following kinds of comments:
(1) Comments containing nothing but scoffing
(2) Comments that contain lies about objective facts. Example: ViW and/or ViU kept repeating over and over again that Judge Jones told a newspaper that he was going to follow the law whereas he really told the newspaper that the Dover school board election results would not affect his decision.
(3) Comments that gossip about my private affairs.
>>>>>> It's clear that nobody is stronger than Larry in supporting free speech and freedom of expression. <<<<<<
Thanks, Jim.
Aleksandr, you disgusting troll, the last comment that you submitted contains a remark about my relatives, and I said that I don't tolerate gossip about my private affairs. The comment will therefore not be published.
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