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Saturday, April 11, 2009

Can't make this stuff up

I found some extremely abusive comments that were posted on Panda's Thumb in response to a video of Texas board of education chairman Don McLeroy. Here is one:

This guy is a stupid and very ignorant man because he is completely ignoring the fact that creationists like him are fighting a losing battle, and it greatly confuses him that the cambrian explosion can even happen. What did he evolve from the world’s stupidest lfeform? Someone please shut this damned theist up and do it now.[1]

Some comments by the "Bicycling Guitarist" were so offensive that they were moved to Panda's Thumb's "Bathroom Wall":

I am inspired by the famous commercials for Pace picante sauce when I humbly suggest “Get a rope!” Seriously, McLeroy at the very least should be FIRED. I personally believe he should be tried for treason and for child abuse.[2]

Dang, I’ve done some further research and the specifics of what McLeroy has done don’t seem to be treason as defined in the U.S. Constitution. Still, he IS responsible for contributing to the dumbing down of American schoolchildren thus harming America’s competitiveness in the global market, and he did so while serving as an elected government official using the influence of his office to do these bad things. Why can’t McLeroy be hanged or shot for this offense? Seems to me a government trial with massive publicity, followed by a public execution would do a lot to clear the air about this controversy.[3]


Re: the suggestion that McLeroy be tried for treason and shot

I guess we can’t be executing people for being stupid…otherwise most if not all of the human race would be executed. I do so hope for the lawsuits to take place in Texas now as they did in Pennsylvania, Kansas and elsewhere. When will those who mislead the creationists be held accountable for their lies, i.e. legally and financially responsible for the costs of these lawsuits? I refer to organizations such as the Discovery Institute and Answers in Genesis.[4]

Maybe McLeroy should stick to coevolution, an airtight argument against evolution.

This stuff is just so bad that I think it might have been planted by McLeroy supporters to discredit his critics.

Also, it was reported that the Discovery Institute received a nasty email message:

"You've been warned asshole. Shut the fuck up or die."

The lack of civility is getting out of hand.


Blogger paprgl said...

I agree that civility -- whether you agree with McLeroy or not -- is important. He represents a viewpoint held by himself and at least some of his constituents who put him in office.

I don't find the name calling constructive.

Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Maybe McLeroy should stick to coevolution, an airtight argument against evolution.

I disagree, I heard his presentation before the Texas Educational Board. He was making his argument from quotes of well respected Darwinists which was excellent. Although "co-evolution" would have pleased some, it wouldn't have tone down the lack of civility for questioning Darwinism in the first place.

But in the end, true science won the debate. The board voted 13-2 in favor of the new curriculum which states...

In all fields of science, analyze, evaluate, and critique scientific explanations by using empirical evidence, logical reasoning, and experimental observation and testing, including examining all sides of scientific evidence of those explanations so as to encourage critical thinking by the students.

Isn't this is what science is all about? Why would anyone be against the new curriculum? Would it be so unscientific to look at seat belts to see if they are still safe in various accidents that could result in complex outcomes?

This is not to say, I believe Darwinism is the same as seat belts, but even with a valid scientific find that has been confirmed as safe like legal drugs, doesn't mean they will always be safe for a person to take in the future.

So it's very important despite what the NCSE or others like it say, critical thinking is needed in the science classroom.

Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Røst I Ødemarken said...

This is not to say, I believe Darwinism is the same as seat belts ...

I'm encouraged to learn that you don't believe that Darwinism is the same as seat belts.

Your "critical thinking" has been performing brilliantly.

Monday, April 13, 2009 1:15:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Sherwood said...

"Professor Smith" is the pseudonym of an ID blogger who stopped posting comments shortly after EXPELLED was released, because of a surge in nasty emails from (apparently exceedingly ignorant) Darwin-addicts. An example of the illiterate and obnoxious emails can be found on his blog, at www.professorsmith.wordpress.com

"Professor Smith" reports that he is a former Darwinist, now an ID scientist, who teaches at a university on the east coast. Until he has tenure, he conceals his identity and location to avoid being EXPELLED by Eugenie Scott's Thought Police.

His blog was interesting, and I hope he returns. Or has Eugenie's Gestapo tracked him down and pounced on him?

Monday, April 13, 2009 2:13:00 PM  
Blogger Joshua said...

Ah, once again it is the old "people are saying nasty things on the internet!" gambit.

And this is supposed to show what exactly?

Does it shock you that people who say nasty things? Do you think that random commentators on a blog saying nasty things somehow means that the opinion they are supporting is wrong? I don't think you want to go down that road Larry given that William Dembski's response to Kitzmiller was to make a video of Judge Jones farting...
Maybe you should just conclude what most sane people would conclude and that there are enough people out there that every opinion has at least a few uncivil jerks supporting it.

Monday, April 13, 2009 5:55:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

>>>>> Does it shock you that people who say nasty things? <<<<<<

This is some of the nastiest stuff I have seen on the Internet. I have not seen anti-Darwinists say such nasty things on the Internet.

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:08:00 AM  
Blogger Joshua said...

Right, where just in the other thread here you call me a "bozo" and a "troll." One doesn't need to go very far to find unpleasant remarks. Of course, I can find far worse examples from "anti-Darwinists."

There's the entire evolution=fascism meme and then there are more explicit remarks. For example, there's a nice one here: http://yeshivishatheist.blogspot.com/2009/03/benefits-of-creationism-in-classroom.html?showComment=1237440360000

where someone labels all scientists as child pornographers.

Or I suppose I could point to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQGFlNPxCxA or a thousand other remarks which accuse "Darwinists" of being in league with the devil.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:10:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Joshua said...
>>>>>> Right, where just in the other thread here you call me a "bozo" and a "troll." One doesn't need to go very far to find unpleasant remarks.<<<<<<

At least I am not asking for someone to shut you up immediately or saying that you should be hanged or shot for treason.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:44:00 PM  
Blogger Joshua said...

So? The point should be clear, even you are making insulting remarks and it doesn't take much effort to find all sorts of much worse insults directed at scientists and evolution proponents all over the internet.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:50:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Joshua, you are such a lousy troll that I can't resist insulting you. I wish I had more supporters here to make the insults for me.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:54:00 PM  
Blogger Joshua said...

Larry, and thanks for responding with an insult. Does that mean that you agree with my original point that one gets extreme insults from people on all sides of pretty much every political issue?

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:27:00 PM  

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