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Thursday, August 31, 2006

The breathtaking inanity of Ed Brayton

Ed Brayton posted on his blog what he thinks is "the perfect retort to all this Darwin leads to Hitler crap":

"And on 9/11, the World Trade Center was knocked down by creationists who hate evolution. What's your point?"

What's YOUR point, Ed?

Ed himself admitted that there is a link between Darwin and Hitler.

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Anonymous W. Kevin Vicklund said...

In the same sense that there is a link between Hitler and

Einstein
Newton
Copernicus
Ptolemy
Augustine
Luther
The Pope
The Dalai Lama
Jesus
Mohammed
...or any of thousands of other historical scientific or religious figures

Ed did not, in fact, admit to any specific Hitler link to Darwin that could not be equally applied to any of those names above, merely that Hitler used religious and scientific language depending on his audience.

Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice In The Wilderness said...

I see that the breathtakingly inane Larry(?) is in love with his favorite words again.

Friday, September 01, 2006 8:20:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

W. Kevin Vicklund said...

>>>>>Ed did not, in fact, admit to any specific Hitler link to Darwin that could not be equally applied to any of those names above, merely that Hitler used religious and scientific language depending on his audience. <<<<<

What name could most easily be linked to "Social Darwinism"?

Friday, September 01, 2006 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Voice In The Wilderness said...

> What name could most easily be linked to "Social Darwinism"? <

Read Kevin's post again. As is usually the case, you did not understand it but pathetically tried to reply. If you actually read his post you will see how irrelevant you comment is.

Try again and this time make some attempt to show that you have actually read his post.

I am beginning to feel sorry for you. You have no capacity for logic and when combined with your total lack of debating skills it gets pretty sad.

Your commants are breathtakingly inane.

Friday, September 01, 2006 5:56:00 PM  
Blogger Dave Fafarman said...

>>>>>Ed did not, in fact, admit to any specific Hitler link to Darwin that could not be equally applied to any of those names above, merely that Hitler used religious and scientific language depending on his audience. <<<<<

I would agree with the second part of that. The first ("same sense") is rather far-fetched, however.

<< What name could most easily be linked to "Social Darwinism"? >>

Larry(?) has a valid point here.

Google hit counts (for combination of "social darwinism" plus name) are:

Hitler 342,000
Nietzche 114,000
Haeckel 44,000
Galton 38,800
Chamberlain 36,600
Jack London 12,900
Gobineau 970

(IMO, Haeckel should have won, and Gobineau should have scored higher, but they were less notorious and not as directly consequential.)

I didn't bother searching on Kevin's list, as there is no connection.

Friday, September 01, 2006 7:28:00 PM  
Blogger Dave Fafarman said...

P.S. I posted a response on Ed's blog.

Friday, September 01, 2006 7:40:00 PM  
Anonymous W. Kevin Vicklund said...

>>>What name could most easily be linked to "Social Darwinism"?<<<

Richard Hofstadter

That was easy. Any other inane remarks?

Friday, September 01, 2006 7:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice In The Urbanness said...

> Larry(?) has a valid point here. <

Albeit an irrelevant one.

Friday, September 01, 2006 8:42:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

W. Kevin Vicklund said --
>>>>>>What name could most easily be linked to "Social Darwinism"?

Richard Hofstadter

That was easy. <<<<<<

That's not the most obvious name. The answer is like the answer to the question Groucho Marx used to ask on his quiz show: "Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?" Wikipedia says --

A riddle relating to Grant's Tomb, popularized by Groucho Marx on his game show You Bet Your Life, is "Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?" Though the proper answer is "nobody"—Grant and his wife are entombed, not buried—Groucho would usually accept "Grant". Groucho would ask this question to contestants to ensure that they won something on his show; a similar question was, "How many bullets are there in a six-shooter?"

Anyway, why didn't Hofstadter call it Social Galtonism, or Social Spencerism, or Social Haeckelism, etc., etc.? Because he figured that Darwin started it all.

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Fake Dave said --

>>>>>Google hit counts (for combination of "social darwinism" plus name) are:

Hitler 342,000
Nietzche 114,000
Haeckel 44,000
Galton 38,800
Chamberlain 36,600
Jack London 12,900
Gobineau 970
<<<<<<<

So Hitler won hands down, and people say that Darwin is not linked to Hitler? LOL

Friday, September 01, 2006 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice In The Urbanness said...

You may be wrong, ViW. It might not be that Larry(?) has missed the point. It may be that he saw that he was wrong and is trying to change the subject.

Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:51:00 AM  

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