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My biggest motivation for creating my own blogs was to avoid the arbitrary censorship practiced by other blogs and various other Internet forums. Censorship will be avoided in my blogs -- there will be no deletion of comments, no closing of comment threads, no holding up of comments for moderation, and no commenter registration hassles. Comments containing nothing but insults and/or ad hominem attacks are discouraged. My non-response to a particular comment should not be interpreted as agreement, approval, or inability to answer.

Wednesday, July 04, 2007

Elsberry censored comments under blog posts cited by Miami Herald!

I have long pointed out that blogs where visitors' comments are arbitrarily censored lack fairness, reliability, and credibility and therefore should not be authoritatively cited by official news media, court opinions, scholarly journal articles, etc.. Now I have an example.

BVD-clad blogger Wesley "Ding" Elsberry has two recent blog articles -- one on Panda's Thumb and another on his personal blog Austringer -- charging that a top Florida education official, Cheri Yecke, had four years ago as a Minnesota education official misinterpreted the "No Child Left Behind Act" and the significance of the Act's proposed Santorum Amendment that was not adopted into the Act but was included in an accompanying Congressional report. This charge and one of the blogs was the subject of a recent Miami Herald article that I discussed here. Comments that attempted to defend Yecke's interpretation of the Act were brazenly censored on Panda's Thumb! Elsberry, responding to a censored comment posted by "Anonymous," who Elsberry claimed is me, said,
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[quoting Minnesota State Rep. Jim Davnie in a videotaped discussion with commissioner Yecke] What the commissioner is failing to mention [undecipherable] is that the Santorum amendment that she refers to never passed into law. And Minnesota has to follow federal law, not, uh, amendments that were offered in conference committees at the federal level.

Larry “Anonymous” Fafarman wants to know why Rep. Davnie would make the comment he does about following federal law. It isn’t because there is an explicit power involved; it’s because the federal government can withhold federal funds from schools that do not comply with things such as the “No Child Left Behind” act. Any school that has no use for such federal funding can, of course, tell the federal government to go get stuffed concerning those particular federal programs. That amounts to a vanishingly small percentage of the many thousand local school districts throughout the country.

"Anonymous" then replied with a statement essentially saying that the No Child Left Behind Act does not authorize the withholding of federal funds from states or local school districts that require, allow, or do not prohibit the teaching of intelligent design or other criticisms of Darwinism. That statement was censored and there was no reply.
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10 Comments:

Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

> That statement was censored and there was no reply. <

How would you know what was in the censored statement, Larry Anonymous Fafarman?

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:47:00 AM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

Because I saw it before it was censored, idiot!

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

> Because I saw it before it was censored, idiot! <

Sure you did, dimwit.

Get over it you pathetic numbskull. Your posts have a definite smell to them. It makes no difference what name you put on them.

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Intelligent Designer said...

It's a teatr.

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous W. Kevin Vicklund said...

Here's a newsflash, Larry. You have been banned from Panda's Thumb. All posts by you are deleted as a result. This is not censorship. This is punishment for your past inappropriate behavior. If you don't post on Panda's Thumb, your posts won't get deleted.

You aren't allowed to post on Panda's Thumb. If you had a modicum of intelligence, you might understand why we can identify your posts where you try to hide your identity.

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:58:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

And here is a superscoop. A court, news media outlet, author, etc.. that is misled as a result of the censorship of Anonymous's comments -- and Anonymous's comments weaken and arguably refute the charge that Yecke misinterpreted the No Child Left Behind Act -- is not going to care who in the hell Anonymous is and is not going to give a shit that Anonymous -- whoever the hell he is or whoever the hell "Ding" Elsberry thinks he is -- was banned.

Also, I noted that Jay Wexler cited Panda's Thumb in a law journal article. When I talk about comment censorship destroying or damaging the fairness, accuracy, reliability, and credibility of a blog, I am not speaking hypothetically.

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

> And here is a superscoop. A court, news media outlet, author, etc.. that is misled as a result of the censorship of Anonymous's comments <

No one is misled by the absense of your drivel. The world will survive without it.

> Anonymous -- whoever the hell he is <

He is Larry Fafarman. Didn't you know? The rest of us do.

> When I talk about comment censorship destroying or damaging the fairness, accuracy, reliability, and credibility of a blog, I am not speaking hypothetically. <

Yes you are. An astronomy article is not damaged by the absense of a note of the claim of some that the Earth is flat. Your comments are not significant.

Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Other said...

< No one is misled by the absense of your drivel. >

< An astronomy article is not damaged by the absense of a note ... >

ViW, "absense" is not a word (not yet, anyway, but it might be even closer to your intent. :-}

Friday, July 06, 2007 5:11:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Fafarman said...

>>>>>>ViW, "absense" is not a word (not yet, anyway, but it might be even closer to your intent. :-} <<<<<<

What you stupid fatheads can't seem to get through your thick skulls is that the readers should be allowed to decide for themselves whether they think a comment is significant.
:-> :-> :->

Friday, July 06, 2007 5:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Voice in the Wilderness said...

>ViW, "absense" is not a word (not yet, anyway, but it might be even closer to your intent. :-} <

You are right. I meant "absinthe". The intent was to point out that Larry might be drunk.

Friday, July 06, 2007 8:35:00 PM  

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