More shenanigans from Ed Brayton
This is a follow-up to my post titled STOP IMPERSONATING MY BROTHER. Ed just posted another lie -- "The Real Dave Fafarman Revealed" -- in which he falsely accuses me of impersonating my brother Dave! Dave tried to post a response on Ed's blog, but found that his post was held up for "moderation." So I decided to publish Dave's response below --
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For a more complete explanation of Dave's above response, see my following comment --
http://im-from-missouri.blogspot.com/2006/05/stop-impersonating-my-brother.html#c114858431986463769
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Ed Brayton wrote --One of my friends in the NCSE office emailed Dave and put him in touch with me. Dave confirmed that he did indeed write the first comment under the Typekey username DaveFxxx, but did not write the comment with the Typekey user name Dave Fafarman.
Any combination of you, your friend, and "Dave" are lying. Since you obviously do not believe in the free exchange of ideas (you arbitrarily banned Larry for disagreeing with you), why should anyone trust you?Notice that the IP addresses for the fake Dave and the two Larry comments are identical - 207.200.116.13.
Larry already explained why the IP addresses are identical, moron -- Larry and I share an AOL proxy with the same IP address.Now, take a look at the ARIN whois information for that IP address and you'll see that, contrary to Larry's claim, this number is not a dynamic IP address:
What do you mean, "contrary to Larry's claim"? Larry already said that it is not a dynamic IP address.Notice that Larry is on AOL, while Dave is on SBC. And Larry's IP is not portable, while Dave's IP is. And guess where the email from the real Dave came from? Yep - SBC, not AOL.
The fake Dave is on SBC. The real Dave -- me -- is on AOL.When he said that his IP address changes every time he dials in, he was lying.
Larry said that his computer's local IP address changes every time he dials in, which is true. However, the IP address of the AOL proxy that he communicates through remains fixed -- and that is the IP address that the rest of the Internet sees.
You should consult someone who knows something about IP addresses.
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For a more complete explanation of Dave's above response, see my following comment --
http://im-from-missouri.blogspot.com/2006/05/stop-impersonating-my-brother.html#c114858431986463769
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Labels: Ed Brayton (2 of 2)
posted by Larry Fafarman | 5/25/2006 05:28:00 PM
35 Comments:
Hi, my name is Larry Faelefefefman. I am a homo-sexual. I like it up the boo-tae.
You truly are a total whacko, Larry. I have email from your brother from his SBC account, the very same email account he used to take out his membership with the NCSE. I truly cannot imagine someone being insane enough to lie about their own family. Get a shrink, Larry. Seriously.
Ed Brayton said --
>>>>I have email from your brother from his SBC account, the very same email account he used to take out his membership with the NCSE. <<<<<
Ed, damn you -- this is the third time I've had to ask you to not post comments on my blog. Next time I will not be so polite. If I can't post on your blog, then why should you post here?
Anyway, in response to your above statement -- you are lying. And why should anyone believe you when you do not even believe in the free exchange of ideas?
Larry, you are truly nuts. Your brother clearly did not write that post. It has your handwriting all over it.
Come clean. Are you claiming that none of this is from either you or your brother Dave despite email from Dave Fafarman claiming authorship of some of it? I think that the men in white coats are on the way.
> The fake Dave is on SBC. The real Dave -- me -- is on AOL. <
Larry,
I have two email addresses for Dave. One is an SBC address. The other is not AOL. Only you have been posting messages with Dave's name from AOL.
While some on this board clearly do not have your best interest at heart, Dave does. I think you owe him an apology for your recent antics.
Bill Carter said --
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> The fake Dave is on SBC. The real Dave -- me -- is on AOL. <
Larry,
I have two email addresses for Dave. One is an SBC address. The other is not AOL. Only you have been posting messages with Dave's name from AOL.<<<<<
You are full of shit. I have never posted messages using Dave's screen name from AOL, and anyway, email address information is available only to the blogger receiving the message (unless the commenter includes the address in his profile or otherwise agrees to disclosure).
Also, I asked my brother Dave about you, and he said, "who in the hell is this Bill Carter?"
So why don't you drop dead and go to hell -- and take Ed Brayton and the fake Dave with you.
> I have never posted messages using Dave's screen name from AOL <
Larry,
You have been caught. Give it up. You are just making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself.
> and anyway, email address information is available only to the blogger receiving the message <
I know Dave's email addresses because I am one of his best friends as I used to be one of yours before you cracked up.
> Also, I asked my brother Dave about you, and he said, "who in the hell is this Bill Carter?" <
I talked to Dave twice by phone yesterday. I often talk to him daily as I used to with you. If you don't remember, when you grew up we lived two streets away. We have been friends over 50 years until you cracked up a couple of years ago and started claiming that the world was conspiring against you, that you had less than 48 hours to live, and that the Los Angeles Times was published with the aid of supernatural forces.
Okay. The joke's over. I made up this Bill Carter character out of whole cloth. Lighten up, Larry.
Here's the proof. I'm Ed Brayton and I'm commenting as Bill Carter. Check the IP addresses if you don't believe me!
I am Ed Brayton too!
I really had you idiots going...
Larry has made up the last few posts showing me, Voiceinwilderness, and Ed Brayton as author. The one at 5:40am is me. The ones from 9:00 - 9:05 are Larry. It is getting quite sick.
Larry knows who I really am. I am his ex-friend of over 50 years.
It appears that some time back someone impersonated Larry's brother Dave. Dave then made a post to clear that up and Larry did like its contents so he got off on this campaign of phony posts to muddy the water. I would estimate that now at least half of the posts on this board under other names are from Larry Fafarman himself.
Would Ed Brayton know that you went to Wright Jr High School, then Westchester High School, then Santa Monica City College, that you then lived on Regis Way but now live at 298 1/2 Village Green, LA 90016?
I would not reveal this personal information about you but since you are posting under my name, I find it necessary. You can't retaliate by revealing anything about me since you claim that I was invented out of whole cloth by Ed Brayton.
Would Ed Brayton know that you went to Wright Jr High School, then Westchester High School, then Santa Monica City College, that you then lived on Regis Way but now live at 298 1/2 Village Green, LA 90016?
I would not reveal this personal information about you but since you are posting under my name, I find it necessary. You can't retaliate by revealing anything about me since you claim that I was invented out of whole cloth by Ed Brayton.
I am the Real Larry Falafelman. I have previously posted as steve s, but that was all a fiction created by Ed Brayton. Anyway, everybody stop believing that "Larry Fafarman" is the real me. He is not. I am me, and not him, and that's how it's always been. I demand you stop thinking I created this weblog! Also, be advised that "Fafarman" is persian for "Likes it up the boo-tae".
Bill Carter said --
>>>>>I would not reveal this personal information about you but since you are posting under my name, I find it necessary.<<<<<
No, I am not posting under your name. You are just a lying piece of shit.
It is not too hard to use the Internet to find personal information about people and add some false information that cannot be verified. I have the highest contempt for gossips who spread personal information about other people.
> No, I am not posting under your name. <
You are posting under my name, Dave's name, Ed's name and VoiceInWilderness".
> It is not too hard to use the Internet to find personal information about people and add some false information that cannot be verified. <
As you know, it is not necessary for me to look up anything about you on the Internet. As for "false information that cannot be verified", what that I said is false?
"I have the highest contempt for gossips who spread personal information about other people."
Since you claim that all of this is available on the Internet (falsely) what difference does it make? You should ignore me anyway since, according to you, I was created out of whole cloth by Ed Brayton.
I have the highest contempt for people who are caught in a lie and then try to lie their way out.
> I'm not Larry Fafarman. Can't you read? I'm Ed Brayton. <
Anyone with more than half a mind, which excludes Larry Fafarman, can see that this is Larry.
Bill Carter said --
>>>>As for "false information that cannot be verified", what that I said is false?<<<<<
Why should I be subjected to an inquisition where I have to answer what is true and what is false about me, just to prove that I am really me? Who else has to do that?
>>>>Since you claim that all of this is available on the Internet (falsely) what difference does it make?<<<<<<
It makes a lot of difference. Some of the stuff is a little hard to find, but gossips like you delight in finding it and spreading it around.
>>>>> You should ignore me anyway since, according to you, I was created out of whole cloth by Ed Brayton. <<<<<<
I never said that you are just a creation of Ed Brayton -- but you could be.
> Why should I be subjected to an inquisition where I have to answer what is true and what is false about me, just to prove that I am really me? <
You made the false statement that some of what I said is false. You should attempt to back up that lie.
> Some of the stuff is a little hard to find <
Much of it can't be found on the Internet. Possibly nothing I said could be found on the Internet. Since, despite your claims, you know who I am, you know that I know a great deal more about you.
>> I never said that you are just a creation of Ed Brayton <<
Of course you did. It was when you were impersonating Ed Brayton.
Actually Larry, I can't be sure that you are the one who posted under several names besides your own above. Since you began this heading with a message purported to be from Dave, which you wrote yourself, and you posted a message on Ed's blog using your brother's name, it became logical to assume that you were responsible for the other impersonations on this blog.
When you further claimed falsely that you had asked Dave about me, I have no choice but to believe that you have lost all touch with the difference between your lies and reality.
I meant to ask; Two years ago you were claiming that you only had 48 hours to live. You were even telling which ligaments and tendons were going to give way in the next few minutes. Perhaps you didn't survive and this Larry Fafarman is someone Ed has invented for our entertainment.
Bill Carter said --
>>>>>>You made the false statement that some of what I said is false. You should attempt to back up that lie.<<<<<
No, I never said that. All I said was that no one on the Internet should be asked to confirm or deny personal information just for the purpose of identification.' That is an invasion of privacy.
Now as I said -- just go to hell and take Ed Brayton and the fake Dave with you.
Larry said...
> All I said was that no one on the Internet should be asked to confirm or deny personal information just for the purpose of identification.' That is an invasion of privacy. <
I produced personal information in order to prove that I am who I said I am (which of course you know). You are claiming either that you don't know me or that I am the creation of someone else. Ed Brayton would not, for example, know that your unlisted phone number was 323-293-6029 before it was disconnected because you couldn't pay your bill. You are currently dialing into the network on your mother's phone. I would not supply that number because I don't want anyone bothering her. She has enough trouble with you.
Is that sort of information available on the Internet?
> just go to hell and take Ed Brayton and the fake Dave with you. <
The fake Dave is your creation as you know. Your brother Dave, in contrast, is tired of your blog but he has posted on CW again. He is very upset about your growing insanity.
Your claim that you asked him who I am is also, as you know, a complete lie. I think that you are starting to believe your own lies. You did indeed call Dave a few days ago. All you said was "Drop Dead, Go to Hell, Good Riddance!" It appears that while you are denying that it was him who posted, you are angry at him for doing so. A psychologist would have a field day with that.
Having a different opinion and trying to support it no matter how flimsy your reasons are is one thing. Impersonating other people and then accusing others of doing the same is something quite different. As your brother says, you owe many people apologies. He is naive enough to believe that you might see the light and give them. I know better.
Until I read the negative comments on this thread by Ed Brayton, voiceinwilderness, and Bill Carter I was going to recommend Larry for a mechanical engineering job. Now I can't.
If any of the derogatory claims made about you aren't true then for legal purposes, Larry, consider yourself damaged.
To Bill Carter (if you exist) --
At first I thought that you and the fake Dave might be real people, but I am increasingly suspicious that both of you are just fabrications of Ed Brayton.
in like Flint said...
> If any of the derogatory claims made about you aren't true then for legal purposes, Larry, consider yourself damaged. <
Unfortunately they are true.
Larry Fafarman said...
> At first I thought that you (Bill Carter) and the fake Dave might be real people. <
This is really getting bad. You aren't sure whether the fake Dave that you created is real? The real Dave, the one whose posts you are denouncing as fake, seemed real when I talked to him on the phone today.
As for Bill Carter being real, are you claiming that there is no Bill Carter whom you have known for 50 years, or that that person exists but I am not him?
> but I am increasingly suspicious that both of you are just fabrications of Ed Brayton.<
How long are you going to continue this? You have been caught in multiple lies. When you are in a hole, stop digging.
in like Flint said...
> I was going to recommend Larry for a mechanical engineering job. <
Larry is quite good at jobs that require historical research even if he can't understand what he has found. I am sure that there are a great deal of jobs requiring such a talent and I would certainly recommend him for such.
The problem is that nothing is so simple for Larry that the solution does not involve research. If he had a coconut and a hammer and the library were closed, he could starve to death.
This is the REAL Dave Fafarman, Larry's brother.
I am generally supportive of my brother Larry. I would certainly not -- as the fake Dave (possibly Ed Brayton himself) has done -- post anything critical of Larry on a blog where he could not respond under his real name, i.e., Ed Brayton's blog. Nor would I gossip about any problems or difficulties that Larry might have. What kind of brother would do those things? Ed Brayton, fake Dave, and Bill Carter (the latter two are possibly Ed's inventions) have no credibility -- they are just a bunch of lying scumbags. Also, the folks on Panda's Thumb, who -- like Ed -- brazenly ban and delete commenters just for disagreeing with them, have no credibility either.
I too am now banned on Ed Brayton's blog, and it would do me no good to try to bypass the ban because anything contradicting Ed's story there will be deleted.
The previous post under the name Dave Fafarman is Larry's work again. Dave has not been banned from Ed's blog and, in fact, has posted an additional comment today.
You can't tell the players without a program.
1. Larry Fafarman - This appears to be the real Larry Fafarman. His reality was confirmed when he filed a series of laughable lawsuits several years ago. The mindless repetition and inability to understand replies follows a long established pattern for this character on the net. Some of the posts which appear with black names at the top appear to be spoofs of him but then again it may just be his evil other self.
2. Ed Brayton - Ed is also real. He has posted nearly all of the posts under his name on this site but recently Larry has figured out to post giving Ed's name in blue but the ranting nonsense identifies these as Larry's.
3. The "fake" Dave - The one that Larry identifies as the fake Dave has been proven by Ed to be the real Dave Fafarman. A check of his name on the net gives mostly posts on scientific subjects, many on cold fusion. This poor tortured soul is humiliated by his brother's antics and his posts seem sincere. He seems to foolishly believe that his words might get through Larry's thick skull. Other than that, he seems quite rational.
4. Fake Dave #2 - the first appearance of the name Dave Fafarman was under the topic "Two-timing New Members of Dover School Board" This appears to be neither Dave, nor Larry. The spelling errors may give the eventual clue that discloses his/her identity. It is interesting that Larry barely responded to this post. The one that actually drew his ire was the one from the real Dave.
5. The "Real" Dave - This is the fake one. This has been proven by the scholarship of Ed Brayton. Ed's work was unnecessary. The posts under this name, including the one that he supposedly quotes at the beginning of the topic "More shenanigans from Ed Brayton" have Larry's fingerprints all over them. The post immediately preceding this one is typical.
6. Bill Carter - This guy claims to be a life long friend of Larry, possibly recently estranged. The name is so common that research on the net would be meaningless. He seems to know a lot about Larry but some of it could, as Larry says, be found on the net. Most of it could not but it also could not easily be verified. He might just be inventing some of it while counting on the fact that Larry is unlikely to say anything believable in rebuttal. Like Fake Dave #4, his posts often contain spelling errors but his posts are otherwise better written. The greatest evidence for his existence is Larry's reaction to him.
7. Colin - A person who writes long well thought out and researched treatises in the vain hope that he is not talking to a brick. I have a clue for you, Colin.
8. Anonymous - These posts vary in length, style, and quality of content. There appear to be several different people here.
8. Miscellaneous characters - These fall into two groups; those who agree with Larry and are willing to embrace any support, no matter how crazy, and those who disagree but have not yet realized the futility of further posting to someone who is, as it was previously said, "As dense as a neutron star".
9. VoiceInWilderness - The most important of the characters. I am a person who sees Larry as a rat on a maze and am entertained by the fact that he has named me his worst enemy under the now dropped topic "Stop Messing Up My Blog". While I should have sympathy for such a poor soul, I have none. I see him as a lab animal with a very interesting and as yet undocumented malady.
VoiceInWilderness said --
>>>>Dave has not been banned from Ed's blog and, in fact, has posted an additional comment today.<<<<
You stupid moron, there are ways of blocking comments other than by the posting name -- comments can be blocked by: (1) email address, (2) IP address (if fixed), or (3) cookies (files that visited websites deposit on your hard drive). Each of these methods can be defeated, but as my brother pointed out, it's not worth it because any comment that contradicts Ed's story is going to be deleted from Ed's blog anyway.
>>>>The "fake" Dave - The one that Larry identifies as the fake Dave has been proven by Ed to be the real Dave Fafarman.<<<<
Ed has proven nothing other than the fact that he is a lying piece of shit. He is also a censoring fascist and a shameless SOB who posts on my blog while banning me from his blog.
>>>>Bill Carter -- The greatest evidence for his existence is Larry's reaction to him.<<<<
How can I tell the difference between another lying piece of shit and a fictional character created by Ed Brayton?
> Ed Brayton could allow the fake Dave to post comments under "Dave Fafarman" while blocking my real brother Dave <
Any yet he has chosen to do just the opposite. He is continuing to post messages coming from your brother at the real Dave Fafarman's known DSL address. He may be blocking your impersonations which come from a dial-up using your mother's phone (Thanks Bill Carter for that info.), but that is neither here nor there.
People are tiring of you. I am not tiring of you however. One can only pull the wings off of a fly so many times before a new fly must be found. In contrast, you keep coming back looking funnier and funnier each time. All one needs to do is rattle your cage and you respond immediately with more entertaining material. I love your site.
The fake Dave -- maybe Ed Brayton himself -- said on Ed's blog:
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You must apologize to Ed publicly for calling him names.
-- from
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/05/fafarman_take_3.php#comment-96323
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When hell freezes over.
I will continue to call Ed names. He is a despicable scumbag -- and so are you (if you even exist).
>VOIW, that is COLD. You have a mean streak.<
Haven't I already admitted this?
> It occurred to me that this as-yet unknown individual might have been VOIW <
I only wish I had thought of it. It really has opened up a new dimension of Larry's alleged mind.
Now let's try to figure out who the latest posts are from. The blue titled Bill Carter post is clearly not from the person who originally posted as Bill Carter. The fact that it is the raving of a lunatic would tend to point to Larry, but it does not have the characteristic style of Larry's impersonations.
The possibility of another lunatic impersonator may bring new live to this blog. We must look back and see what other schizos have appeared on this blog for a clue.
The latest post from Dave Fafarman is obviously from the real Dave. He is the one I can feel sorry for in this case. Despite a lifetime of experience he still seems to hold some hope that he can reason with Larry.
Perhaps we will hear from Shemp with a new light on this story.
I PICK THE GOD DAMN terror of the fucking gods out of my *nose*! Pardon my language. But YEEEEEHAW, let the sons of God and man bear witness! Even in the belly of the Thunderbird I've been casting out the False Prohets; I'm busting a gut and blowing my O-ring, and ripe to throw a *loaf*! For I speak *only* the fucking *Truth*, and never in my days have I spoken other than! For my every utterance is a lie, including this very one you hear! I say, `Fuck'em if they can't take a joke!' By God, `Anything for a laugh', I say. I am the last remaining Homo Correctus, I am the god damn Man of the Future! I'll drive a mile so as not to walk a foot; I am a human being of the *first* god damn water! Yes, I'm the javalina humping junkie that jumped the Men from Mars! I drank the *Devil* under seven tables, I am too *intense* to die, I'm insured for acts o' God *and* Satan! I was shanghaied by bodiless fiends and alien jews from a corporate galaxy, and got away with their hubcaps! I *cannot* be tracked on radar! I wear nothing uniform, I wear *no* god damn uniform! Yes baby, I'm 23 feet tall and have 13 rows o' teats; I was suckled by a triceratops, I gave the Anti-Virgin a high-protien tonsil wash! I'm a bacteriological weapon, I *armed* and *loaded*! I'm a fission reactor, I fart plutonium, power plants are fueled by the sweat from my brow; when they plug *me* in, the lights go out in Hong Kong! I weigh 666 pounds in zero gravity, *come and get me*! I've sired retarded space bastards across the Cosmos, I cook and *eat* my dead; YAH-HOOOO, I'm the Unshaven Thorn Tree of the Atlantis Zoo! I pay no taxes! The Devil's hands are my *ideal* playground! I hold the Seven-Bladed Windbreaker; the wheels that turn are behind me; I think *backwards*! I do it for *fun*! My imagination is a *fucking* cancer and I'll pork it before it porks me! The say a godzillion is the highest number there is. Well by God! I count to a godzillion and *one*! Yes, I'm the purple flower of Hell County, give me wide berth; when I drop my drawers, Mother Nature swoons! I use a python for a prophylactic; I'm *thicker, harder* and *meaner* than the Alaskan Pipeline, and carry more spew! I'll freeze *your* seed before it hits the bathroom tile! YEE! YEEE! I kidnapped the future and ransomed it for the past, I made *Time* wait up for me to bleed my lizard! My infernal breath wilts the Tree of Life, I left my *spoor* on the Rock of Ages, *who'll tear flesh with me, who'll spill their juice? Who'll gouge with me, whose candle will I fart out? Whoop! I'm ready!* So step aside, all you butt-lipped, neurotic, insecure bespectacled slabs o' wimp meat! I'm a Crime Fighting Master Criminal, I am Not Insane! I'm a screamer and a laugher, I make a *spectacle* of myself, I am a *sight*! My physical type *cannot* be classified by science, my `familiar' is a pterodactyl, I feed it dipshits! I communicate without *wires* or *strings*! I am a Thuggee, I am feared in the Tongs, I have the Evil Eye, I carry the Mojo Bag; I swam the *Bermuda Triangle* and didn't get wet! I circumcize dinosaurs with my teeth and make 'em leave a tip; I change tires with my *tongue* and my *tool*! Every night I hock up a lunger and extinguish the *Sun*! I'm the bigfooted devil of Level 14, who'll try to blow me down? I've packed the brownies of the gods, I leak the Plague from my nether parts, opiates are the *mass* of my religion, *I take drugs*! Yes, I'm a rip-snorter, I cram coca leaves right into my arm-veins before they're picked off the *tree*! *Space* monsters cringe at my tread! I wipe the *Pyramides* off my shoes before I enter *my* house. I'm *fuel-injected*, I'll live forever and remember it afterwords! I'm *immune*! I'm *radioactive*! Come *on* and give me cancer, I'll spit up the tumor and butter my *bread* with the juice! *I'm supernatural*, I bend *crowbars* with my meat ax and a thought! My droppings bore through the earth and erupt *volcanoes* in *China*! Yes, I can drink more wine and stay soberer than all the heathen *Hindoos* in Asia! YEEE HAW! *Gut Blowout*! I am a *Moray Eel*, I am a *Komodo Dragon*, I am the *Killer Whale bereft of its pup*! I have a triple backbone, I was sired by the Wolf Man, give me *all* your Slack! I told *Jesus* I wouldn't go to church and He *shook my hand*! I have my *own* personal saviors, I change 'em every hour, I don't give a fuck if there's life after death, I want to know if there's even any fucking *Slack* after death! I am a god damn *visionary*, I see the future and the past in comic books and wine bottles; I eat *black holes* for breakfast! I bend my genes and whittle my DNA with the sheer force of my mighty *will*! I steer my *own* god damn evolution! I ran 'em out of Heaven and sold it to Hell for a *profit*! I'm enlightened, I achieved `Nirvana' and took it *home* with me. *Yip, yip, YEEEEEEE!* I'm so ugly the Speed of Light can't slow me down and Gravity won't tug at my cuffs! When the Rapture comes, I'll make 'em wait! They'll *never* clean *my* cage! Now give me some more of...
Now it has turned full circle. Someone is impersonating Larry! Perhaps it is one of his other personalities but the style is definitely different. The only thing they have in common is mindless lunacy.
The real Dave seems to want to blame the first Dave poster for this fiasco. I can't buy that. That post was too obvious a fake.
While Larry did react to that post, Larry's impersonations on his own site didn't begin until the real Dave had posted.
The first Bill Carter post appeared about this time. Is there any connection here? I didn't check to see if that appeared before or after Larry bounced off of the moon.
O.K. I confess. I am Voiceinwilderness. Larry and I dreamed this up to bring attention to his blog. Now who is posting as Larry? Come out, come out!
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